Macintosh Misery.
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ceagleOkay, I finally did it. :|
After putting it off and hoping for help and solutions that I knew were out there somewhere, I reluctantly listened to the nudges of "just reinstall the OS to fix it" , to get my system 9 driver problems fixed.
And so now... it has fixed nothing, ...but I have to face the additional drudgery of manually fixing all my settings to what they were. -_-
Thank goodness for backups. I've gone down the high-hopes road before with Mac.
Yes it broke my desktop.
It broke my printers.
It broke my internet connection.
And who knows what else... *huge weary sigh*
And *still* it didn't solve the problem of drivers that can recognize the fact that I have only one monitor, and that I would like to use graphics programs, and put the machine to sleep instead of turn it off. I can do none of these, and reinstalling the OS did not fix it.
Yes, I use system X. Yes I am a part of the converted crowd.
But after using something (pre-system X) for some 15 years *because* of its appeal, I don't understand the widespread urge to diss it altogether just because something new comes along. Can't they exist together? They do exist together, and I don't see anything wrong with liking my Classic programs.
Eudora Pro, ...fast and text-based, effectively stopping spam and junkmail images that are unwelcome.
Muddweller, ...clean and capable and fast.
And so many other programs.
So yes I use system X.
But it is so disheartening that hardly anyone really cares about system 9 ... and trying to get it to work right. Guess ya really can't blame 'em. Still, it'd be nice if the simple answers to fix it, were easy to find... :/
After putting it off and hoping for help and solutions that I knew were out there somewhere, I reluctantly listened to the nudges of "just reinstall the OS to fix it" , to get my system 9 driver problems fixed.
And so now... it has fixed nothing, ...but I have to face the additional drudgery of manually fixing all my settings to what they were. -_-
Thank goodness for backups. I've gone down the high-hopes road before with Mac.
Yes it broke my desktop.
It broke my printers.
It broke my internet connection.
And who knows what else... *huge weary sigh*
And *still* it didn't solve the problem of drivers that can recognize the fact that I have only one monitor, and that I would like to use graphics programs, and put the machine to sleep instead of turn it off. I can do none of these, and reinstalling the OS did not fix it.
Yes, I use system X. Yes I am a part of the converted crowd.
But after using something (pre-system X) for some 15 years *because* of its appeal, I don't understand the widespread urge to diss it altogether just because something new comes along. Can't they exist together? They do exist together, and I don't see anything wrong with liking my Classic programs.
Eudora Pro, ...fast and text-based, effectively stopping spam and junkmail images that are unwelcome.
Muddweller, ...clean and capable and fast.
And so many other programs.
So yes I use system X.
But it is so disheartening that hardly anyone really cares about system 9 ... and trying to get it to work right. Guess ya really can't blame 'em. Still, it'd be nice if the simple answers to fix it, were easy to find... :/
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Date: 2007-01-29 01:59 am (UTC)I'm sorry you are having troubles keeping 9 above water. But once you start using 10 regularly, I think you will like it better. :)
no offense taken. appreciate the honesty really.
Date: 2007-01-29 03:10 am (UTC)The point you missed mebbe iand I tried to emphasize in this posting is that I *do* use X, but I like the option to use everything that I used before it also. This is also important and relevant to my job, but then, that's just my job, and noone has to give a shit about that either.. they don't have to face it. It's awright. I'll scrounge around on my own and somehow maybe I'll find them again, if they exist.
In other words, I do use the flying cars, but I still rev up the carburetted ones with the wheels now and then. I'm a nostalgic bird.
I'm starting to wonder, since this was the last machine bootable in 9, if ATI only supported Classic through X on the 800 machine, in which case I'd almost rather go back to a 667 machine (but it would need a video display that isn't broked). *wags*
I guess I won't know until I can find and install the appropriate update (radeon-0206.hqx according to Archive.Org) and see if it helps.
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Date: 2007-01-29 03:10 am (UTC)Unfortunately even companies only support their products for so long.
Rest in Peace, OS 9.
The king is dead, long live the King X!
Although, if you're not using new hardware, the old drivers should be stable, so it's possible you have a hardware problem more than a software one.
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Date: 2007-01-29 03:15 am (UTC)I do realize that this is in the minority of thinking, because when something new comes along, most people do throw away what they knew before, their vinyl records.
I'm just not made of money, to restock my entire collection right away, whether it's for music, or for computer software, ...and that's why I have to buy used computer stuff from you guys.
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Date: 2007-01-29 03:19 am (UTC)The Energy Saver, and Brightness Controls work fine in System X on this machine.
I will probably test Photoshop under system X, and if it works, I may just grudgingly operate it that way. There won't be any point to boot in 9 then, and the Apple Corporate Machine will have successfully beaten another victim into submission.
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Date: 2007-01-29 03:33 am (UTC)With windows it was a much faster jump, XP was a far better product than ME,98 and 95 due to being based on NT technology :)
*pats the poor Eagle* Have you tried any of the new programs? I used to use photoeditor to view ever picture till Windows fax&picture viewer came around which was much better for scrolling through lots of pictures.
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Date: 2007-01-29 04:55 am (UTC)So, I fully understand what Ceagle is going threw.
results are in
Date: 2007-01-29 05:48 am (UTC)So, that means I'd really like to get that driver problem fixed. Till then, it's gonna feel like I'm using a rusty door.
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Date: 2007-01-29 05:52 am (UTC)Yes.. I use the system X programs, yep. (see above)
The thing I'm pissed at mostly is ATI itself, for yanking the download archive, probably due to some shaking finger telling them to do so... not because the program doesn't exist any more, but because the all-knowing big brother of capitalism is telling them to shove it under the table.
So much for *true* support.
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Date: 2007-01-29 06:13 am (UTC)And after a couple years, both systems now operate better than they used to, though it's complete horseshit that Mac OS X is crash-proof. I see more crashes on Macs in the last few years than I do on Windows any more. That's part of why I went to using iCab as my main browser, because it is such a solid relief in the midst of all that crash-happy mac stuff. Nowadays I also use Firefox (on both systems) a lot, but it really is like children's wooden blocks compared to iCab in customizeability.
But yeah, if it wasn't for Windows, I wouldn't be computing much at all lately. I've got a slick 1.7 ghz machine I got at Fry's for just around $200 brand new last year at this time, and it is rock solid. Thanks to
Apple has taken a die-hard advocate, and turned me into a "blase who cares which OS" user, and lately even into a "windows is better for most things now" user. It's much easier to debug the registry than Apple-BSD packages and kernels. And while those can be fun learning experiences, when it comes to my home machine, I just want things to work. :|
Re: results are in
Date: 2007-01-29 08:31 am (UTC)I am talkin' 'bout Classic (as started up in), and also Classic in emulation under System X. Either way, I cannot run Classic Photoshops, tested on version 3 and version 4.
I can run system X native Photoshop CS, though the HD transfer from the 667mhz to the 800mhz machine does seem to have broken something, it still runs, but says some components are missing when I start it. That is probably unrelated to the issues with the Classic photoshop problems though. At least the mouse arrow doesn't freeze.
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Date: 2007-01-29 08:43 am (UTC)You don't plan on upgrading?? nyah ah ah!!... wot do you mean you won't upgrade? you can't escape now!! 8> 8>
*fuzzles ya* :>
So yeah, I have to deal with system 9 machines, and system 10.1.5+, 10.2.4+, and 10.3.4+ mostly... and all of 'em are sticky now n then.
The one I was working on two days ago was a 10.2.8 eMac, and they also had an XP machine, and a Win98 machine that both needed attention. It can be hard to explain to folks that this is the real world... a huge number of people don't upgrade that often, because things just *work* for them.
One multimillion dollar bizness I know wants to keep their billing in a DOS program.. they say, hey, it works, and the billing lady likes it!
So anyway, I digress.. :> .. but yep, that's the one I was referring to.
I keep multiple versions of as many Os'es as I can on useable machines for testing and work reference, 10.1, .2, and .3 (not 10.0 though.. that's fairly useless). Just because I like system 9 on my personal machine, the townspeople wanna torch me a lot of the time, but it's not hurting anybody.. *peep*
that would be beautiful ^V^
Date: 2007-01-29 08:53 am (UTC)It probably needs to be from the classic system folder of someone who ran a startup version of classic on a Powerbook G4, 800mhz.
My previous machine was a 667mhz, and although it reputedly had the same or very similar ATI card in it, the screen is slightly larger (old screen I think was 1154x768 and new one is 1280x854), the drivers that were in the system folder extensions did not work properly, ...or maybe the version of "Monitors", or .. well, it seems like it would be the ATI drivers...
Who knows, maybe there is even a system 9 installer disk that can work, but the ones I was graciously given did not work, unfortunately... so that's why I'd like to try the individual components.
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Date: 2007-01-29 09:10 am (UTC)hehheh.. that's part of my point, really.. :>
We still use older stuff because it either makes sense somehow, or we like it, or we have to because it hasn't been updated.
Oh yes.. I like windows popping seprately usually too, but sometimes I'll use the single window method on Windows XP.. *waggles*
I am using a 800mhz powerbook, which a friend was kind to switch me up from my 667mhz one... the previous one had a speaker that had never worked, and a screen that had a bad flickery connection that got so it couldn't even be used.
I really liked that machine though.. adn the problems with this one are making me miss it very much.. ;_;
This one is nice and speedy, but these little nits it has kinda jab atcha, and the photoshop issue is pretty major. makes me wanna run to my Windows machine and hide.
I've seen the Savitar.. looks nice :> I also use Rapscallion, which is nice also.. but for bare bones quality features, Muddweller has it made pretty well.
Apple Mail... hmmm.. well, heh.. uh... It's okay. I bought this Eudora Pro though, and having customized it so much, it's like leaving my 1964 cherry cadillac behind.. so while I like the new Lexus, I'd sorta like to keep all my mail storage together if I can :>
...Right now too, I sorta wanna give it a spanking, as I just had to fix a broken Apple Mail program at that client's place, without breaking the system, and that took some careful stepping about in the garden of BSD goo..
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Date: 2007-01-30 09:06 pm (UTC)No worries, me friend... I alreddy haff PShop 7, .. all the PShops from 2.5 onward actually, thru CS (except 6, since I heard that was a lemon). ^V^
I did start using 2.5 in system 7.. LOL! The later ones are fine, yep... I just tend to like to get in there and get out fast when it comes to editing usually... and version 3 loads in like 1.5 seconds, and I can be outa there in 10.
For batch stuff or more compatible jpegs, version 4 does the trick nearly every time, too.
heh!.. Old habits die hard, ...especially when they keep workin' so well. :> But then again, very few people drive a 24 year old car they bought new... most folks just stare in awe and pat me on the back, sayin' "amazing, sir!" ... in detached puzzlement :D
yay!
Date: 2007-01-30 09:20 pm (UTC)Totally heartily agree with ya on the 10.3.9 declaration, dragony! ^V^ *wags*
Itsa sorta rhetorical fact, but true, since that isn't what's affecting my system, but indeed a fact that if all the people with whom I worked would upgrade to 10.3.9 or greater, or 10.4.5 or greater, many of their problems might be solved. *peep*
*wags to the fuzzlin'* Glad to hear a system 9 machine helps ya out sometimes ^V^ ... I'm sorta lookin' forward to the MacBooks down the road also, but I know it's down the road, since it's doubtful I'll buy any new (either for financial or foundational reasons) Apple products any time soon.... 8|
So you havion' probs with PS and Illo too? *wingpats gently*.. that's ouchy... -_-
Yeah, I'm either using CS on 10.3.9 or Elements on XP right now, until I can get those others running again.
I just tried another ATI installation last night, and it still didn't help.... getting "system components missing" errors, so I think I may need to locate a factory-system-9 installer disk.
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Date: 2007-01-30 09:31 pm (UTC)Jus' so ya know, I installed the "RADEON-0210.hqx" one, so if it's that, it didn't help... but another one might.. I dunno... still getting a big "X" over the "ATI Graphics Accelerator" extension at startup, which is what's been happening all along, so there may be an extension conflict also, ...dunnos. :|
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Date: 2007-01-30 09:47 pm (UTC)I have Eudora Pro version 2, and it's never balked that way on me... *sighs and patpats ya*
Well, I do use a variety of email programs as needed, if needed, like when one ISP requires a certain thing or not (one ISP *requires* Entourage, another *requires* a configuration I had to setup in Outlook Express, and I've used Pegasus, Outlook, and a few others on other systems also). Just sayin' my comfort level is highest with Eudora Pro... *fluffles plumage, and settles it all back smoothly with a beaky cheery smile* :9
As for breaking their systems, heh, sometimes it's carelessness, other times they just get a hit... like, some junkmail item that blows it up or somethin' :/
And most customers don't know how to use the Periodic Maintenance steps or how to fix permissions, even after I show them... 8|
I don't have many problems with my own system X stuff though, in case it seemed like I'm baggin' on it, cuz I'm not baggin' on it for my own home use experiences, and I s'pose I didn't make that clear enough to the readers...
I do think it's fine, but apparently in the text of a diary like this, saying ya like 9 at home can automatically imply that ya don't like X, even when you try to state clearly that you use both jes' fine alla time... eeep!
Mebbe sumday, peeples will unnerstand me ^v^
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Date: 2007-01-30 09:49 pm (UTC)I once had to use DOS to line by line remove viruses from a Windows machine.. it took over a week of evenings.. and this still isn't that bad, yet.. :D