Virus Bomb

Mar. 7th, 2004 02:31 pm
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Be very careful today, everyone. :/
I just received a boatload of viruses and who-knows-what-else to ALL of my unpublicized, barely used broadband accounts. Luckily I have full isolation of these, they can't launch and they can't be passed on or propogate, but there may be something sinister brewing out there in cracker-land this weekend... so please be careful :|

Turn off PREVIEW if you use Outlook Express or Netscape Messenger mail, and go to OFFLINE to read messages, even pulling out your connection cord to the internet while you look at if you won't be too inconvenienced. And don't click on anything suspicious.

*grumble grrrrr...*

Date: 2004-03-07 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buran.livejournal.com
Or don't use Windows -- but I do have a windows machine (which is never used for email) which is double firewalled and has a virus scanner on it. Er, actually, the update service for the scanner timed out, but I have located a free alternative which I just need to get around to installing. But since I don't use the Windows box for much besides web browsing (using Firefox), and it's been turned off for many many weeks, I'm not worried about it.

Date: 2004-03-07 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
I use W2K on my laptop, XP on one of my desktops, RH Linux v8 for my web server and FreeBSD on my play machine.

MS makes the best desktop OS there is, but just like any of the *ix OSs, you must have a brain to run it. Being an OS snob doesn't put money into a sysadmin's pocket as easily as an OS agnostic that will configure and fix anything out there for a paycheck.

Learn it and use it all for a more enriching career is my advice. CE has done a splendid job in making a living supporting Mac 9, X and all flavors of PC systems for a real world example.

CYa!
Mako

Date: 2004-03-07 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buran.livejournal.com
Yes, I can and do use just about everything there is. I'm not a "snob" as you put it.

The point I was trying to make is that Windows and its web/mail clients is known to have all kinds of vulnerabilities and issues that just aren't there in other OSes. It seems to me that with all the problems out there, the best solution is to use something more dependable, since there's no sign of there being a real and total clampdown on all the problems.

I don't think MS makes the best desktop OS. A lot of other people don't, either. Some do. It's all individual preference.

Date: 2004-03-07 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
Well your initial post did have an air of elitism about it ;-)

Regarding the total number of vulnerabilities, linux is just as bad as MS, BSD (including OS X) is the best of the lot (but not perfect either).

I was getting constant updates from RHN for the kernel (at least one update a month) as well as the associated RH distro programs (bunches of those, I lost count), at least until RH dropped support for my flavor of their product.

Over all I was getting *many* more patches per month for linux than for Win32.

The primary vulnerability in Outlook is the loose nut behind the mouse. That's a people problem (so called "social engineering), not a code problem.

The problems in running say a 500 desktop *ix network compared to a MS one is Non Trivial. I have been the IT Director for two companies, and only a lunatic with mighty deep pockets would roll out *ix on the desktop given today's state of *ix desktop technologies.

My preference is MS on the company desktop with a mix of *ix and MS in the server room. Web servers would be BSD, DNS and AD (vs LDAP) on MS, databases would be Oracle on BSD or linux depending (I haven't spun up an Oracle cluster for a while) plugged into either a JBOD or a SAN depending on the data store size projections and the avialable $.

Email has two solutions worth considering: Using Outlook talking to a imap BSD server and and Meeting Maker running on a *ix box with a vpn backdoor is one solution, or just biting the bullet and using Exchange + vpn to solve the messaging problem.

Exchange is lower sysadmin cost wise, but doesn't have the granualrity of control and maintthat I can get out of an imap soultion. 'tis a puzzlement for me on which way to go there.

I'd have to crunch TCO vs. uptime and hassle factor to make a decision on messaging I think.

CYa!
Mako

Retraction/Apology

Date: 2004-03-07 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
Well your initial post did have an air of elitism about it ;-)

No it didn't and it was wrong of me to say that it did. My apologies for stating something that obviously was wrong.

Mako


Re: Retraction/Apology

Date: 2004-03-07 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buran.livejournal.com
Don't worry about it. :) You had some good things to say too.

Re: Retraction/Apology

Date: 2004-03-07 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
My Lesson Learned for today is:

Never post before the asprin kicks in, unwarrented snarkiness may result :-(

Thanks!
Mako

Date: 2004-03-07 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-c-p.livejournal.com
"MS makes the best desktop OS there is"

I hope you're joking.

Date: 2004-03-07 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makovette.livejournal.com
Not at all, I'm quite serious. My definition of "best" is based on the metrics that exist behind the corporate firewall, not on the machine in the living room.

TCO is a primary driver of desktop OS choice. User training costs across a standardized application suite, hours of admin/desktop, vendor software support and other similar corporate realities are my drivers.

I've never had a job applicant that didn't know how to run Outlook and Word on Win32 for example. The company spends $0 on that, compared to say Mozilla on *ix which has significant user training costs associated with it.

On the admin side, compare setting up and configuring CUPS on every desktop compared to the printer sharing in Win32 - the added admin time and user training burden is non-trivial in admin resources (corp speak for $).

My last experience with large scale Apple networks was purging Mac OS 7 and converting a company (~500 PCs in three locations with a WAN and Sun OS/Solaris server backbone) to NT 4 back in '97, so I'm stale on Mac-ology. I do like the idea of BSD under OS X, but X is pretty new and still suffering from some teething pains.

Mac OS XI running MS Office has the potential to put *ix corporate desktop in larger numbers, but anytime you roll out multiple OS's, you effectively split your IT desktop wallet into pieces and drive costs up, which is a bad thing.

CYa!
Mako

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